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posted on September 09, 2009 at 10:19AM Inappropriate? Quote Reply
helloo.... I m writting here because I really dont knw what to do anymore at all.... all I knw is tht I am not taking my car back there ever even for something as stupid as replacing a battery....Im jst really frustrated... I had my car over at a sears auto store for alignment... got it out after about one hour, paid and left... as soon as I got to the road I saw the car was worse then when I had it before bringing it there.... so I was like "ok no problem I will bring it back and they will see whats wrong" came back right away they took a look at it and said it was because I had one new tire on one side and one old on the other side and tht the car was aligned under specs... but still they put the car on the lift again attached all the stuff to the wheels again to align it.. took another hour and some then returned the car to me... as soon as I left the store it was still the same... but I told them I would replace the tire and if problem didnt go away I would bring it back... I replaced the tire with the same brand same everything so now I got 2 brand new tires on the front and its still doing the same thing.. I brought it back to them for the third time and they took 2 hours with the car... they balanced the front wheels and I didnt see them messing with alignment the car now vibrates alot above 60mph and still not aligned... I called costumer service number on the sears website and they gave me another number tht I called too and they jst throw me around... then they said they would email the store and they would call me.... I m jst frustrated.....I want a refund so I can take my car to any other store where they will solve my problem and not throw me around.... if anyone can help me here please let me knw
replies: 11 latest post: November 22, 2009 at 11:38AM by SearsPro
posted on September 09, 2009 at 12:17PM
 

Please send an email to Dennis Johndrow include your contact information, store location, and the posting above.  He will help you resolve the issue. We apologize for your negative experience.  dennis.johndrow@searshc.com

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posted on September 11, 2009 at 02:27AM
 

I got a new tractor battery at a Sears Auto Center.

They tested the old battery - dead.

And, I got me a new battery there - too.

Tractor's work'n GREAT!

posted on October 28, 2009 at 11:42PM
 

I also got a alignment with the purchase of 4 new tires and balancing all from sears. The alignment was way off as soon as I left there. If I put the steering wheel straight, the car goes to the right. It was perfect before. I also had problems with the rebate which they tried to fix. So I submitted the rebate and now got an email that it was rejected. I took my wife's car for tires also and they vibrated at 50 +, so took it back and they did another balancing, but same thing still vibrating at 50+. So took it to a Mobil station on victory blvd and Willow brook rd. They did a balancing and now no problems at any speed. Its a shame cause the rest of Sears is good. I have a basement full of tools from sears. Also only buy all my footwear and work apparel there also. The automotive dept stinks. Now cant get rebate and car pulls to right and its an 2006 with 40,000 miles on it. It didn't do that before, now I'm afraid to bring it back and get even worse results after they try a second time

posted on November 01, 2009 at 10:11AM
 

I am a former Sears employee. I actually worked for National Tire and Battery before Sears sold it to Tire Kingdom. I was a Tech III for NTB and performed all types of mechanical repairs. I was also ASE Certified in the 3 fields of service NTB provided, Brakes, Steering and Suspension, and Electrical Systems. Every customer should know, not ALL Sears technician's are as well educated or trained to be automotive technicians. Some of them are promoted from tire changers to techs. The only course of training they receive are one to three day classes at Sears' main shop in your area. Then they work side by side with the technician at their store. The technician they work with may have been promoted in the same fashion. I am not trying to knock Sears at all here, just simply trying to educate their customers. I myself went to a trade school for two years and was a dealership technician for 4 years.

The hardest part of working on any vehicle is diagnosing a customers complaint. For example, alignments. A vehicle that is out of alignment will ALMOST NEVER cause a vibration. A poor alignment will cause the vehicle to do one or more of the following; pull to the left or the right, hard steering, and/or premature/uneven tire wear. I say "almost never" because depending on the make and/or model vehicle, there are rare instances it may cause a vibration, but it is very, very rare.

The main cause for vibration is "usually" poorly balanced tires and/or faulty vehicle components (which includes the tires themselves). This is where diagnosing becomes the difficult part. Anyone can be a parts changer, an experienced technician will look for the cause of a vibration and go from there. I did work with individuals who simply changed parts (if it needed it or not), and came up with all kinds of excuses as to why the problem wasn't solved. This was the main reason why I left the automotive business. Too many untrained, greedy grease monkeys out there ripping people off.

Why didn't I go to management about this problem you ask? I did. At that time management didn't care. They were paid salary plus bonuses. We as technicians were paid hourly plus commission on labor only. A good incentive to make a technician work faster. Also another incentive to make him sell you something you may not need.

Every good auto shop will post their technicians ASE Certifications somewhere on location. You have the right to choose who works on your vehicle. You also have the right to be shown your vehicles bad components BEFORE they are removed from the vehicle. If getting an alignment done, you have the right to be shown either a print out of the alignment BEFORE it is performed, or be shown the actual alignment screen while your vehicle is attached to the equipment.  Now most places will tell you that you are not allowed in the shop area because of insurance reasons, which is true. If they want your money, they will hand you a pair of safety glasses and escort you to your vehicle and show you what needs to be repaired. Sears used to do this, not sure if they still do (been out of the business for 6 years now).

The best I can tell people is to ask a lot of questions. Ask to see exactly what needs to be replaced. Have them show you (if possible) what a new part looks like compared to the faulty part. Not all parts will appear faulty to the look, have the technician explain to you why the part is bad. Most of all, GET A SECOND OPINION. I know it's a hassle going from one place to another but, it may save you a ton of money. When you take your vehicle elsewhere, DO NOT tell them that another place said "X" part was bad. Let them inspect the vehicles general area. For example; Sears claims your brake rotors and calipers need to be replaced. Take your vehicle to another location and ask them to do a brake inspection. If Sears claims you need new tie rod ends (suspension work), take it elsewhere and ask for a suspension inspection. If they tell you everything checks out good, THEN tell them another shop claims "X" part is bad, please check it again. If they come back and say, "Oh yeah, it is bad!!" Take it elsewhere again, because now, either they are trying to rip you off, or they were too incompetent to see it in the first place.

Again, I'm not trying to knock Sears, just trying to educate the public. I take my vehicles to Sears for all my tire and battery needs. Obviously if I need additional work, I perform it myself. There are a lot of GOOD technicians who work for Sears, then there are the bad ones. Ask if they have ASE certified techs. If they do, request those techs to perform your repairs.

posted on November 01, 2009 at 11:07AM
 

I just wanted to add (in Sears' defense). When employee's are trained by Sears, they are trained by highly experienced instructors. Each trainee is tested in both classroom work and hands on work. Learning to become a good technician takes time. Diagnosis of a vehicle is not always easy. Some of the most experienced technicians have a hard time diagnosing particular vehicle problems. There are times that diagnosing a problem is only learned by trial and error. Even a highly trained dealership mechanic will have comebacks of the work they performed. Technicians are human as well.

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posted on November 03, 2009 at 10:29AM
 

To Jmcalvo1960,

First, allow me to apologize for the delay in responding to this post. My name is Brian and I am part of the Sears Cares escalations team. I am sorry to hear that you are having issues with both the rebate and the automotive service department. I can't understand why the service department has been unable to resolve the issues. We would like to look into this situation on your behalf. We can also check your rebate and determine what needs to be done to get this resolved for you as well. At your convenience, please contact my office via email at searscares@searshc.com and we will be happy to do what we can for you. In the email, please provide a contact phone number and we will call you directly. Also, please provide the screen name (Jmcalvo1960) used to post here for reference to this issue, and we do look forward to talking to you soon.

Thank you,

Brian J.

Senior Case Manager

Sears Cares

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posted on November 03, 2009 at 02:45PM
 

There are many things that go into a proper alignment besides setting it on the machine with laser guidance.

Factors that can throw off even a well done algnment can be worn tie rod ends, Pitman arms, and idler arms if you don't have a rack style steering system, ball joints, and even strut bearings.

Indications of extremely worn tie rod ends will be uneven wear on the outside edge of the tire, and worn ball joints will normally wear the inside of the tire.  The latter is only untrue if you have something like a Subaru, where the ball joint is inverted, and then you will notice a vibration at high speeds.

The other thing that can affect a "perfectly good alignment", is a machine that is not calibrated properly.

Most vehicles these days will need a four wheel alignment, with camber in the front, and caster in the rear.  This is the "tow" of the tires, and ensures they stay flat on the road.

The other thing to consider is "road crown".  Most roads are pitched like a roof for the purposes of water runoff.  Even a perfect alignment will pull toward the low side of the road crown.

Not trying to vindicate the techs here, but, we have two words for fault, and blame, and two different meanings for both.

posted on November 07, 2009 at 11:16PM
 

I am considering taking my car to Sears for a wheel alignment, but I have concerns based on some of the comments I see posted about the lack of competence of some technicians.

I'm not concerned with tire vibration because that's not due to alignment in 99.9% of occasions. What I'm concerned is vehicle handling and tire wear. My car tires are very expensive and I want them to wear well and last as long as possible. I also want my car to track properly, and the steering wheel to be properly centered.

posted on November 08, 2009 at 12:11AM
 

In my opinion Sears has provided better service than most of the auto repair shops that I have dealt with.  Keep in mind that industry estimates say that half of all car repairs done at shops where mechanics operate on a commission are unnecessary.  The only solution is an educated customer, second opinions - and always ask for the parts back that are being replaced.

posted on November 22, 2009 at 09:47AM
 

worldweary2 is correct about worn suspension parts. As a rule of thumb, if your vehicle has worn or defective suspension parts (such as your tie rods, ball joints, pitman arm, idler arm, etc.) an alignment is completely USELESS!!!!!! Bad suspension parts will throw off your alignment, wether the alignment machine says its correct or not!!!! Your bad parts need to be replaced before an alignment is performed!!!

posted on November 22, 2009 at 11:38AM
 

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