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posted on September 03, 2009 at 03:37PM Inappropriate?

To whom it may concern:

One of my earliest memories about my birthdays was my father giving me my first Craftsman tool.  Every year after, for my birthday and for Christmas my father would go to Sears and select a new Craftsman tool to add to my set.  He continued to do this for every birthday and every Christmas as I was growing up.

The early lesson my father gave me was that a quality tool would never let you down.  As I grew older, I came to realize that it as more than just the tool.  It was the organization and the people behind the tool.  It was Sears that would stand behind their quality product with quality people.  It was Sears who I could trust.

I have always felt like I could trust Sears and I had a special affection for Sears because of what my father had done for me early in life.  After I graduated from law school and took the bar exam, my wife and I decided to buy our first home.  When it came time to buy appliances for our new home, my wife wanted to purchase a variety of different brands of appliances.  It took me some time, but I finally convinced my wife that we needed to buy Sears Kenmore.  My wife and I went to Sears and bought the complete line of top-notch Sears Kenmore Elite appliances (washer, dryer, refrigerator, range/oven, dishwasher, microwave/hood, and chest freezer).  We even bought a Kenmore Elite Premier Reverse Osmosis Drinking Water System.  And when it was time to buy a HVAC system for our new home we again turned to Sears.

Employee A {name changed per Sears request} from Sears came to our home, looked around the house and my existing system, and gave me his presentation.  We wanted a system that was energy efficient and that would support an upstairs zone and a downstairs zone.  Employee A told me that I was already set up for dual zones and suggested some very nice Carrier Infinity equipment.  Employee A quoted me a price, I agreed, and we signed the contract.

The next day Employee A called me and said that he had made a mistake with the furnace component.  Employee A said that the furnace he wrote on the contract did not qualify for the energy tax credit.  As a result, Employee A said that Sears was going to upgrade me to a furnace that did qualify for the tax credit, at no additional charge.  I later discovered that Employee A lied.  My original furnace did in fact qualify for the tax credit and the "upgraded" furnace was actually a downgrade.  I suspect Employee A's motive was that he underbid the contract and needed a way to trick me into agreeing to an alteration.

It was also later discovered that, while my ductwork was configured to support two zones, I did not have the necessary zone board and dampers required for the Carrier Infinity system.  I called Employee A to request more information and a quote on adding the necessary equipment.  Employee A said that he would check on it and get back to me.

Employee A called me back the next day and informed me that Sears did not support zoning.  I thought that this was odd because one of the big features that Carrier promotes about the Infinity system is the ability to support multiple zones.  In addition, it seemed unlikely that a company as large as Sears would not sell the additional zoning equipment.  Employee A said that he checked and it was a policy of Sears not to support zoning.  Employee A said that I would have to contact another company to buy and install the necessary equipment.  I was very disappointed, however I allowed the process to move forward and the installation to begin.

The installation crew from Independent contractor hired by Sears {name changed per Sears request} was absolutely fantastic through the entire process.  They were professional, courteous, accommodating, and competent.  When they first unpacked the furnace, I noticed that it did not have the Infinity logo from Carrier on it.  I thought that was odd, but I didn't say anything at the time.  The installation progressed very well until a discrepancy came up with a connector on the furnace.  The furnace would not connect to my other equipment.

At this point, there were just too many things that did not add up: no zoning support, the lack of an Infinity logo, and equipment that appeared not to be made to work together.  I put a halt to the installation and ran up to my computer to check things out.  Within about 10 minutes of online research, I uncovered the fraud committed by Sears and Employee A.

It wasn't long after I halted the installation of the furnace that Employee B {name changed per Sears request} arrived at my house.  According to my paperwork and Employee A, Employee B was the Project Coordinator and the person in charge of the sales force and installation crew.  I communicated my outrage to Employee B in no uncertain terms.  He told me that he had nothing to do with the sales force, but would pass along my problems with Employee A.  Employee B tried to convince me that the old furnace did not qualify for the tax rebate.  I showed Employee B my research and he briefly tried to unsuccessfully poke holes in my data.  Employee B also tried to convince me that there was little difference between the two furnace units and neither one was better than the other.  In fact, Employee B said that it was simply a matter of rewiring the furnace to work with my other equipment.  Of course, by now I knew better and demanded the original, better Carrier Infinity unit.  Employee B agreed.

Later while we were talking, I informed Employee B of my disappointment that Sears did not support zoning.  Employee B looked amazed and told me that he had just the other day quoted Employee A the price on my requested zoning equipment.  I remember that Employee B had told me earlier in our conversation that he had nothing to do with the sales force.  However, now he tells me that he does work with them.  I mentioned this to Employee B.  He stumbled over some words and said that what he meant was that he doesn't actually sell the equipment.  I now had confirmation of what I had already suspected.  In addition to Employee A, Employee B was also a liar.

Employee B told me that he would get me a price on the zoning equipment.  I told him that I had no interest in doing any more business with Sears after the installation was complete.  I told him that I would deal with someone else to set up my zones.

Employee B hung around the house for a bit working things out with the installation crew.  To my astonishment and as a final insult added to my injury, I overhead him ask one person how I had figured it out.  The question he should have been asking was, "How could this have happened?"  This only confirmed in my mind what I had suspected.  There is an accepted conspiracy within Sears to defraud customers when possible.

In light of my history with Sears going back to my childhood, this fraud that Sears has perpetuated upon me and my family has been a terrible violation.  It is a violation in the deepest sense of the world and a fatal destruction of trust.

With this unthinkable Sears experience, I have been deeply cut and I have bled.  This goes way beyond what any simple apology, explanation, or lip service by Sears might be able to repair.  If you want us to move forward, if you want to try to repair some of the damage you have done, you must bleed along with me.  And since your actions have demonstrated that the only thing you seem to understand is money, I have given it some serious thought.

If Sears wants to rectify the situation between us, you can reimburse me for the upgrades I am now paying to an independent contractor, in order to finally get the system that I originally wanted.  You can reimburse me for the cost of adding on the dual zone equipment to the system that Sears installed.  Sears can pay for someone else to do the job that Sears should have done in the first place.

Only then, when we have bled together, can we hope to move forward.  Otherwise, I will make sure to tell my story to my children, my children's children, and their children.  Sears will no longer be a household name in the Zahrt family, and I will strive to tell my story to other families.  I promise that this will cost you far more in the long run than you can ever possibly hope to imagine.

One other thing, I can't believe that this is the only time something like this has happened.  These sales guys from Sears were way too smooth, way to practiced.  It took quite an effort, time, and research on my part to smoke them out.  But as with any crooked organization, when the truth started to shine, everybody from Sears started running like rats to their holes.  You can't imagine all of the finer pointing that went on.  I just feel sorry for all the other unfortunate customers who have been victimized by Sears.

Regards,

Justin Zahrt

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posted on September 03, 2009 at 04:19PM
 

Hi Justin-Welcome to MySears.  Thank you for your heartfelt and constructive post.  I am going to send this along to Sears Cares-the customer service escalation team that works with the site.  They will do what they can to come to a resolution with you on this situation.

posted on September 03, 2009 at 08:10PM
 

So, are all the Sales Associates in the stores included on the Liars list?

Or, are you upset about the Sears Home Sales and Service folks?

Or, did these TWO individuals cause the concern?

posted on September 03, 2009 at 09:21PM
 

If you honestly want this letter to make itself known, or dealt with in a real way - mail it to a high level officer at corporate personally. This sears cares thing sounds like the verizon guys that call me once a week to ask how satisfied I am with their every other week offers and customer service. 

Id be happier if both groups stopped calling me and let me use their service because it works well. Send the letter to a higher up, get them to write back to you.

posted on September 03, 2009 at 09:35PM
 

Thank you JulieK.  I look forward to hearing from the customer service escalation team.

posted on September 03, 2009 at 09:36PM
 

  The original poster has levelled some very serious charges at both the Company and some individuals.These are not the usual "so and so promised he would be here on Saturday and didnt show up till Tuesday".These are charges of theft and fraud which could potentially end up with legal action from either or both sides and civil or criminal punishments.

  I have a lot of problems with not being able to hear the other side of the story and will reserve any kind of opinion till I do.

 

posted on September 04, 2009 at 01:38PM
 

 Dear jzahrt

It's disappointing to read about the service that you received on your HVAC system purchase. This is not the type of service that we like to read about, however we appreciate you taking the time to bring it to our attention. I can assure you the service you received is not tolerated at Sears and will be addressed accordingly. Our goal is to provide 100% satisfaction to our customers and we would appreciate the opportunity to right this situation. My name is David and I work for the Sears Cares executive team and we want you to know we are here to assist you. At your convenience please contact my office via email at searscares@searshc.com so we can further discuss your concerns. Please provide a contact phone number and the phone number the HVAC system was purchased under (if different than the contact number) and we will contact you at your convenience.  In addition please include your screen name (jzahrt) in your email so we can reference to your issue.

 Thank you,

David V.

Senior Case Manager

posted on September 04, 2009 at 04:37PM
 
In response to gulicious's post from September 03 2009 09:21PM

SearsCares has taken care of dozens of issues here in just the last couple months. They don't publish the results, but the customers can if they so choose. You may not see the positive outcomes, but that's not proof that they aren't creating positive outcomes. They're not a "how are we doing?" group, they're a "we're going to fix your problem right and we're going to fix it quick" group. That's their whole thing - fixing people's problems.

posted on September 07, 2009 at 11:41PM
 

Umm...

What are "zones"?

posted on September 08, 2009 at 07:52PM
 

I hope Sears goes out of business

posted on September 09, 2009 at 04:43AM
 

Better:

Do you "work" at Sears?

posted on February 14, 2010 at 09:00AM
 
I was considering "Sears" for buying the central air-conditiong and heating unit for my house, because of the "Honey words" in the advertisment and most importantly they promised that they would do all the paperwork for the Rebate. After reading Mr, Zahrt open letter and lack of response either from the Customer and Sears, I have moved to some other dealers for the unit and installation. If Sears wants to know what damage Mr. Zahrt letter does, this is it. Hopefully they realise that there are too many people who read Mr. Zahrt letter and switched sides, without even letting know Sears. I hope Mr. Zahrt get proper compensation from Sears for the sub-standard work they did.
posted on February 14, 2010 at 05:04PM
 
In response to usatsr01's post from February 14 2010 09:00AM

Did you "want" zone heating capablility or just a standard HVAC installation, like what was done for our house?

It's been working very well for a number of years now.

As far as I can tell, the jobs was done professionally, and quickly, in combinination with double-pane, insulated windows being installed, has saved us a lot of anxiety over extremes in weather and monthly bills.

One bad... reference.

One good reference.

A tie!

posted on February 14, 2010 at 07:29PM
 

Zoning is much more efficient, because only the area of the home which "calls" for heat, will activate the system.  It consists of multiple thermostats, multiple dampers in the ducts, or multiple water circulation pumps.  It can also create a more comfortable home, as one central thermostat can allow for one room to "roast", while others are cooler.  It really is not that complex to set up, and a basic knowledge of control wiring will easily get you through it, should you DIY.

I am EXTREMELY disappointed to hear about this little corner of the company allowing the Benjamins to be more important than customer satisfaction.

Our department policy is that we will sell you what you need, and/or want, and if you really don't need it, we'll be honest with you about it.  Our job is about customer satisfaction.  That just naturally makes a buck or two when you do it right.  We take our time, and get the appliance that suits you, and your needs.  Bells and whistles are great, but what's the point if you end up not using them?

I hope the proper disciplinary actions are taken, as well as steps to see that this NEVER occurs again.

As per a thesis title for the "Open letter", I like it just as is.

posted on February 14, 2010 at 07:38PM
 
In response to SearsCares's post from September 04 2009 01:38PM
"I can assure you the service you received is not tolerated at Sears and will be addressed accordingly."

Can someone, in the upper level, explain how something like this was addressed?...what was the outcome? how will it not happen again?

 

Frankly, this type of thing is going to happen wherever and whenever it's possible when employees are commissioned. When commission is in play, the employee is not working for Sears, he's working for himself first. For the life of me, I don't understand why people have their HVAC, vinyl siding, windows, kitchen cabinets and roofing done by Sears, Home Depot or Lowe's. These stores only sub-contract the work out to the most economical bids without checking or keeping up to date with qualifications of the sub contractor workers. These home improvements should be left to the professionals that do ONLY that work, especially HVAC. There are so many rules and regulations with HVAC that only a fraction of the subcontractors could keep up with the permits, licenses and training needed to do the job professionally.

*a side note...if you don'y know what a zone is, stay out of the conversation. :)

posted on February 14, 2010 at 07:48PM
 

I will agree with your point about a purely commissioned environment.  Though most would believe that it puts the proper pressure on an associate to "make the sale", that is true in a steady sales environment.  If the sales volume does not exist to support all the associates, then you will end up with a lack of ethics, morals, and scruples, just to get the sales, and earn a paycheck.

Commision only environments can also breed a cutthroat, and backstabbing environment, which is NOT conducive to customer satisfaction.  Making a sale "at all costs" does not help the consumer, the company, or the employees.

A fair base pay, with a small commision is really the best way to go.  An associate has a bit of security, and the incentive to go above and beyond to satisfy clients, as well as build a word of mouth client base.  The security of a base pay can really go a long way, especially if you hit a dry spell.  It really is conducive to creating an environment which is not hostile.

I've seen more terrible behavior in a commision only environment, than I have EVER seen in a base pay environment.  At the worst extreme, I've seen better ethics in loan sharks, than some commission only associates...

posted on February 14, 2010 at 09:21PM
 
In response to AdamO's post from February 14 2010 05:04PM

No. No it's not a "tie". It happened almost sentence to sentence for my parents that way.

I think they made off with about 1k extra.

And, the service guys told my father they could fix other stuff "off the books".

I thought it was 1 Sears.

AdamO, it's kind of creepy that you hang around here and negate every negative comment, I hope Sears is paying you well.

posted on February 14, 2010 at 09:57PM
 

As much as i enjoy adamo making sears look even worse, he really can make you even more angry with sears.  they should seriously think about banning him from this board.

posted on February 14, 2010 at 10:01PM
 

Its a shame that a couple bad employees can really cost a company credibility and future sales. Not every person who works for Sears is like this, and any business will have its share of bad apples. (though too many of them will spoil the company)

This has the potential to really hurt a busness. Word gets out. The proper remedy for Sears would be to dismiss the two employees, and FULLY reimburse Mr. Zahrt for his troubles, and issue a full apology. If everything that Mr. Zahrt says in his letter is correct, then the company is guilty of consumer fraud. I dont know both sides of the story, so thats why I mention "if". Either way its a black eye on the company, and should be delt with quickly and responsibly. 

Hopefully Mr. Zahrt will post info on how the situation was corrected. Then let the consumer decide if Sears is worthy of their future business.

posted on February 14, 2010 at 10:26PM
 
In response to Docbn's post from February 14 2010 09:57PM

Hey...

Welcome back Doc.

Interesting to see YOU promoting censorship on the board.

And, I did have a good install of a "simpler" HVAC system at my place.

So, I would not call my post as challenging a negative "open letter" as much as offering readers, looking for professional and speedy work, ANOTHER look at what is being offered.

And, once again, I am not paid anything for these postings.

posted on February 14, 2010 at 10:34PM
 

?. I didn't see any mention about censorship...

Your "simpler" HVAC system has nothing to do with the customer's problem. He wanted a dual zone system and Sears initially said he was already set up for it. Your post wasn't challenging. It was patronizing to tell him he could have gotten a simpler system if he didn't want any hassles.

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