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posted on August 04, 2009 at 10:11PM Inappropriate?

OK, so I'm a 52 year old professional male, living in a nice suburb north of NYC.  Unlike many of my colleagues, I am a decent mechanic (and carpenter), having spent my youth in a family deep into motorcycle and auto racing.  I do my own wrenching when I can.  I own a Harley- Davidson, a Honda motorcycle, an old souped up Jeep and a Mercedes, among other vehicles.

So I needed a torque wrench.  I do most of my shopping on amazon or eBay, but I figured what the heck, I'll stop in the local Sears (White Plains, NY) and pick one up.  So I stand in front of the locked glass case forever, no one is around (I never shop in stores on weekends or evenings...I own my own business, and I go mid-mornings during the week, to avoid crowds)...there's a bunch of people in Sears employee shirts, diddling about.  I finally manage to get someone's attention.  I painfully drag him over to the glass case, and point: "I would like the 1/2 inch torque wrench, the one that's on sale, right there." 

He says "ok" and runs off, I assume to get a key.  Ridiculous, of course, that he doesn't carry one.  But whatever.  Literally ten minutes later I'm still standing there.  I strike out in search of the guy. 

Eventually, I see him lugging a torque wrench, wandering about, seemingly looking for me.  Fair enough, here I am, let's check out and let me get out of here. 

He puts it in a bag, I pay, and I head out.  Now, it has taken me about 20 minutes from the time when I picked what I wanted and told the sales clerk (not counting the time I couldn't manage to get a sales clerk interested in me). 

I get home, open the bag...and lo and behold, he put a 3/8 inch torque wrench in there.  Setting aside for the moment why in the world anyone would buy a 3/8 inch torque wrench, I'm now a bit peaved, because I realize I have to go back to this stupid store, pay for parking, wind my way to the tool section, and exchange the thing.

Two days later, I manage to find the time to drive to Sears again, park (and pay) and go in.  Now mind you, this Sears opens at 10:00 a.m.  I grew up in the South, where people open stores at 7:30 a.m., so this strikes me as ridiculous to begin with.  But I accept it, it's their store, they can open it when they want, and the market will be what the market will be.  Anyway, I arrive at 9:45, so I am waiting for the doors to open. 

Needless to say, the doors do not open at 10:00, because the lazy b*st*ards who work there can't manage to get off thei*****y ass*s to unlo****he damn doors.  That aside, the doors open about ten minutes after ten.  I walk in and head straight to the tool department.

Now, there's three employees behind the counter in the tool department.  All women, fwiw.  They are very attentive.  "What can we do for you?"  I explain.  "Oh.  We need [name] for that."  Now, it's a simple exchange, but ok, if you need [name] for that, fine, where is [name]?" 

They page [name].  Twice.  Three times.  By now it's 20 minutes since I got in.  It's about 10:30, and I'm standing there, waiting for [name] to surface.  Mind you, there aren't more than three customers on the entire floor, and at least three times that many Sears employees.  But whatever.  I stand therel, waiting for [name].

TIme passes.  I start to get a little peaved.  "Can you find out where [name] is?  And btw, is [name] really the only person who can help me?"

[Name], I am told (well, Andrew was the name) "has the key to the case."  Oh.  So there's only one key? 

Anyway, eventually Andrew is spotted.  The nice woman (one of three) behind the tool, counter shouts at him.  He responds that he is with a customer.

OK, well, fair enough, I suppose.  Even tho I think I was the first p****n in the damn place, maybe Andrew got snagged by a customer, and now he's stuck there.  OK.  I'll wait.

And wait.

And wait.

Eventually, I indicate to the nice woman behind the counter, "This is getting to be a bit annoying."  She heads off to actually physically accost said "Andrew," in a valiant attempt to help a customer (me) get some service.

Now, all I want to do is exchange one torque wrench for the other.  When I bought it, the two were both on sale for the same price.  Should be a piece of cake.

Eventually, a new character emerges.  Now here's a man, in I would say his 50's, who could not possibly move any slower, if his life depended on it.  I am very patient, and maybe he has health problems or something, I don't know.  I won't judge him.  Let him move at his own pace.

So he looks and says "Well the key to the case should be hanging...here."  No.  Not there.  So he heads off to "borrow" "Andrew's" key.  I see the two connect.  There seems to be some resistance from "Andrew", whose customer seems to have disappeared, but who (despite having nothing apparent to do) doesn't seem interested in helping. 

...SIgh.

Now it takes me literally five minutes to get Mr Other Clerk to understand: I asked for that torque wrench, the man accidentally gave me this one, I want to exchange it.  He must have spent five minutes easy, just trying to read the part numbers and figure out where the old one was to go when going back in the case.  Eventually, he just put it down on the floor of the case and left it.  And (with much help, as in, "no, that one," and "no, no, that one"), manages to get the correct one over to the counter. 

Rings it up...at the full regular price.  So I gently interject, "No, like I said, this one was on sale when I was here, and he gave me the wrong one.  I should get it at the sale price." 

Ohhhhh, nooooo.  Complexity.  "I'll have to call [mumble mumble]."

Me:  "You know what, never mind the exchange, just please refund the money I paid for it." 

Ohhhh, nooooo.  Sorry, I need to get ... lo and behold... Andrew. 

Now, suddenly, Andrew is all ears.  "Oh, he wants a refund.  I'll have to go upstairs and get..."

Me: "What?  Look, I really don't mean this personally, but I don't have a lot of time.  I just want my money back." 

Andrew: "Calm down.  I'm talking to HIM [point out Other Guy]." 

Me, now a bit angry, "Well, I was talking to you.  I want my money back, period."

So now he says to me, "There's not enough money in the register to give you your money back."  (Now, there's two register's in the same space...plus several more on the floor.)

Resigned to this continuing hell, I simply say, "OK."

Then, in a moment of unprecedented kindness, Andrew suddenly realizes that there is enough money in the register to refund my purchase after all.  And in the flash of an eye, he does so. 

Now, I've been in there at least an hour and a half by now.

So, not willing to let it get to me, I simply say, "Thank you" to Andrew, and calmly walk off with my refund.  A woman who had been standing patiently waiting and watching all this, says to Andrew, "He said thank you."  As if to say, "Aren't you going to say something polite, like 'you're welcome'?"  I glance back and smile at my fellow customer, who looks at me and says, "I'm trying to tell him..."

Now count the aggravation components of this. 

And consider: I could log on to any of a dozens of websites, and using my Paypal account, with a couple of easy clicks, sitting in the comfort of my home, without paying for parking (twice), and without dealing with a bunch of pathetic idiots, I could end up with the tool I need, in a day or two, for less money, with absolute certainty that if I'm not happy with the purchase I will be sent a return authorization and never hav**** leave my house to exchange the damn thing.  Which would have been right in the first place.

And ask yourself, "Wny would this man go to a Sears brick and mortar store, if these are the tradeoffs?"

As a final note, I will observe that the Sears website absolutely sucks.

I hope it's a chapter 7.  That's what you idiots deserve.

J. Mark Lane (who still doesn't have is torque wrench)

 

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posted on August 04, 2009 at 10:22PM
 

I had sympathy until the name-calling and swearing began.

posted on August 04, 2009 at 10:24PM
 

That's certainly a bad experience. The best thing to do is to go to searsfeedback.com and fill out the survey. The feedback you give is read by the store manager (and everyone at the store can read it, too), the district manager, the regional manager, and anybody above regional should it be brought to their attention. Customer feedback via survey is the fastest method of getting your experience into the minds of management, and there will be action taken as a result.

posted on August 04, 2009 at 10:26PM
 

Hi jmarklane-Welcome to MySears!  Thanks for sharing your experience.  Sears is always looking for opportunities to change, where they need to, and to receive feedback from their loyal customers, or, one time shoppers.  These kinds of thoughts allows Sears to continue to do everything they can to give their customers the best customer service out there. 

posted on August 04, 2009 at 10:39PM
 

Wow, this was a nightmare of a transaction. I do have to say, though, that you share SOME of the blame. You should have examined the wrench to make sure it was correct before plunking down your hard-earned cash. The other day I went to Sears for a $12 shoulder strap for my Weedwacker. I couldn't find it on the rack and as I was walking around, one of the young guys working the floor asked me if he could help. I told him what I wanted, he knew right where it was and made a beeline for it and handed it to me. I examined it to make sure it came with a mounting bracket and then I paid for it. When I got to my car, I took it out of the bag and checked it again. Surely if I do this for a 12 buck item, you know I would do it for a $60 wrench!

On my previous trip to Sears I walked into the tool department and there were 3 or 4 sales associates there and one asked if I needed help. I told him I had 2 broken screwdrivers and handed them over. He gave one to his associate and told him, "You go grab that one and I'll get this one." They brought the tools to the counter, rang them up, and put them in a bag with a reciept for $0. I was in and out in like 3 minutes. You need to move back to the South--the Sears people here in Baton Rouge are great!

posted on August 04, 2009 at 10:50PM
 

A story that longs gotta be true.

posted on August 05, 2009 at 08:12AM
 

Thanks for the sympathy, guys.  And yes, I should have refrained from using profanity.  I usually don't, and I know better.  It was a long day and I was pretty fed up. 

And yes, I should have checked the thing before I left with it.  But by the time I finally got the guy to the cash register, I was pretty much ready to get out of there.  And one would think, in a tool department, when someone says "that one right there, the 1/2 inch torque wrench," well, you get my drift....

Online shopping it is!

 

posted on August 05, 2009 at 08:17AM
 

Hey J. Mark,

Sounds like a horror story, but don't let one bad apple spoil all the stores for you. I've been to Sears stores that have sucky customer service (not as bad as in your story) but also been to some stores with great people. It's a really a hit or miss sort of thing.

Also agree with liking online shopping, except for when they get it wrong. Online shopping returns suck even more brick and mortar places ever will.

posted on August 05, 2009 at 04:40PM
 
In response to MikeyRocks's post from August 05 2009 08:17AM
MikeyRocks said…

Hey J. Mark,

Sounds like a horror story, but don't let one bad apple spoil all the stores for you. I've been to Sears stores that have sucky customer service (not as bad as in your story) but also been to some stores with great people. It's a really a hit or miss sort of thing.

Also agree with liking online shopping, except for when they get it wrong. Online shopping returns suck even more brick and mortar places ever will.


It's my hope that the corporate level monitors this site enough to notice which stores have the worst comments against.  That way they can go into these stores and start "re-tooling" their associates; as well as management since apparently they allow the associates to continue this behavior.

posted on August 05, 2009 at 05:05PM
 
In response to hixonium's post from August 05 2009 04:40PM
hixonium said…
MikeyRocks said…

Hey J. Mark,

Sounds like a horror story, but don't let one bad apple spoil all the stores for you. I've been to Sears stores that have sucky customer service (not as bad as in your story) but also been to some stores with great people. It's a really a hit or miss sort of thing.

Also agree with liking online shopping, except for when they get it wrong. Online shopping returns suck even more brick and mortar places ever will.


It's my hope that the corporate level monitors this site enough to notice which stores have the worst comments against.  That way they can go into these stores and start "re-tooling" their associates; as well as management since apparently they allow the associates to continue this behavior.


That wouldn't seem to fix it as so many of the associates [not addressing this to the Sears posters on this site--at least not yet :)] appear to be tools already. Doh, wait, I get it, re-TOOL.

posted on August 05, 2009 at 05:06PM
 
In response to jmarklane's post from August 04 2009 10:11PM

Quick question, what's wrong with a 3/8" torque wrench?

posted on August 05, 2009 at 05:08PM
 
In response to jmarklane's post from August 04 2009 10:11PM

J. MarkLane,

 

 

Thank you for your post. Not only for its content, but that is the best written story I've read since "For Whom the Bell Tolls."

posted on August 05, 2009 at 05:17PM
 
In response to madgolfer's post from August 05 2009 05:06PM
madgolfer said…

Quick question, what's wrong with a 3/8" torque wrench?


How many people have 3/8' socket sets? As most bolts on vehicles are 7/16 to 3/4, most people have 1/2" socket sets for their greater strength. In fact, I have never met anyone who had 3/8 inch tools. Anyone know what 3/8 is for?

posted on August 05, 2009 at 06:40PM
 

Um, just to address the 3/8 question....

I have a fair amount of 3/8 inch tools, including various socket sets etc.  They can be handy for fixing the kids' bicycles, or even smaller work on a motorcycle or appliance or something.  I also have a lot of 1/4 inch tools.  But the 1/2 inch stuff is sort of the staple in terms of socket sets. 

More to the point, it's sort of my view that most of the time when you need to torque something down to a pre-set level, it's probably a fairly substantial bolt or nut.  A head bolt or something like that.  And a 3/8 inch set just isn't likely to have the...beefiness needed.  My 1/2 tools include breaker bars, various extensions, and lots of high-strength sockets in all sizes, depths and points.  These are the tools a mechanic turns to most often, I think.

So I have nothing against 3/8 inch tools, fercryinoutloud.  I just don't think a 3/8 inch torque wrench is likely to be the most commonly sold size of torque wrench.

Or something like that. 

I do see that some Sears people watch these discussions, and I appreciate the responses.  I'm confident there are people in the company who genuinely would like to fix these problems.  Sadly, I think it's like trying to empty the ocean with a bucket.  These days, in places like White Plains, NY, it's going to be very difficult to find stable, civilized people who know tools, know how to treat people, and are willing to work in a retail store for the kind of money a place like Sears can afford to pay.  And truthfully, one of the reasons is, they have to deal with a consumer public that consists largely of total jerks and morons. 

Mediocrity and prefab garbage from China are the stuff of the day.  And "consumers" who expect to have their pale and weak little hands held thru every act and decision they manage to make are the driving force of most markets.  The Home Depots and WalMarts rule the world, or soon will.  And those of us who value strength and independence, who know how to rebuild an internal combustion engine, or how to frame up and finish out a house, those of us whose fathers taught us the skills that make a man a man...we are curiosities.  Anachronisms.  We are irrelevant to the so-called free market system. 

So I'll take my place on the sidelines, I'll try to teach my son how to rebuild an engine and frame a house, and I'll scrape together the tools I need from places where I don't have to spend hours of my time, and waste money on a mere parking spot, just to be jerked around and treated like crap.  It is not our world any more.  I'm not sure what it will become.  I hope it is something good.

To the Sears person who wrote privately to me, thank you.  But there's nothing really that I need or want.  The thing that would satisfy me the most would be knowing that someone tried to look into improving the situation in the store where this happened.  But I do appreciate your kind thoughts.

Oh, one more thing.  Returns online are a piece of cake.  Amazon, for example, will immediately ship out a replacement item, at no charge, and include a return authorization for the incorrect or defective item.  So long as you return it, at their expense, within 30 days, you won't be charged.  I can't find anything to complain about in that.

Mark

posted on August 05, 2009 at 06:54PM
 

Mark,


I too have quite a few 1/4 inch sets, along with my 1/2. so I wasn't meaning to say the 1/2 is the end all of what you need. I just could never see the point of the 3/8 (not that it realy has anything to do with the torque wrench issue.)

Again, very good post. Be careful you don't end up like me. I came here to vent about the service I had received and ended up staying for three months now trying to see if I could help bring a little insight to thosein power at Sears. Don Qiote (sp?) was my hero. Who is the Saint of Lost Causes, btw?

posted on August 05, 2009 at 07:38PM
 
In response to Firsttractor's post from August 05 2009 06:54PM
Firsttractor said…

Again, very good post. Be careful you don't end up like me. I came here to vent about the service I had received and ended up staying for three months now trying to see if I could help bring a little insight to thosein power at Sears. Don Qiote (sp?) was my hero. Who is the Saint of Lost Causes, btw?



The Patron Saint of Lost Causes is St. Jude.

 

posted on August 05, 2009 at 08:02PM
 
In response to jmarklane's post from August 05 2009 06:40PM

Why Sears Will (and Should) End Up in Bankruptcy

Actually it may be because of Sears lenient return policy... you can imagine how many torque wrenches get returned after the bolt(s) are tightened. It's one of those "once in a blue moon" type tools, as I am sure you can understand having never needed one in your 40 years of wrenching.  Sears offers such an extensive selection of torque wrenches measured in inch pounds, foot pounds and newton meters; micrometer, digital, slide pin, the old fashioned beam-style...and that's just the store stock.  it's a simple mistake for an associate to put the wrong one in the bag before it's paid for. When you go to buy another one, some advice, I had to look at three or four just to find one with accurate micrometer calibration. Good luck.

posted on August 05, 2009 at 08:07PM
 
In response to Firsttractor's post from August 05 2009 05:17PM

In fact, I have never met anyone who had 3/8 inch tools. Anyone know what 3/8 is for?

Nice to meet'ya, I've never needed anything bigger than 3/8" drive, a sleeve breaker and an iron pipe "cheater" in my 30+ years of 2/4 cycle engine rebuilding and shadetree wrenching.. Now metric, that's another story, then torx, then hexagonal, then tamperproof torx, reverse tamperproof... what's next?!

posted on August 05, 2009 at 08:17PM
 

Um, ... Mr. Golfer... your conclusion that I have never needed a torque wrench in my "40 years of wrenching" is, well, incorrect.  Just thought I'd point that out.  I don't own today all the tools I have ever owned.  Sad, but true.   

Sears offers a modest selection of torque wrenches, sure.  But I would hardly call the selection "extensive."  Have you ever looked at Snap-On tools?  Now that would be an "extensive selection".  Quite pricey, tho. 

And just in case you were insinuating that I might have purchased the tool, used it once, and returned it, let me be clear - the tool was not removed from the plastic packaging and still had the paper wrapping around the top. 

Finally, in my humble opinion, it is not a "simple mistake", when a customer says "I want that 1/2 inch torque wrench, right there [finger less than ten inches from tool, point at it]", and the sales clerk grabs a 3/8 inch tool instead.  In case you've never actually seen or held these tools, btw, the 1/2 inch one is at least three or four inches longer, and quite a lot beefier, in a much larger package.  The guy was just, well, to be charitable, not very bright. 

Mark

 

posted on August 05, 2009 at 09:11PM
 
In response to junebug1701's post from August 05 2009 07:38PM

Kind of sad when you consider St. Jude's Medical Center.

posted on August 05, 2009 at 09:19PM
 

Snap-On A.K.A White Gold.  A benefit of Craftsman is you can return it right there, in the middle of a job if need be.  Just thought I would throw my 2 cents in.  Yes bad experience, yes two very different tools, yes common mistake.  As for paying for parking (twice), at some point in your life you had a choice as to where you are living, only you can be accountable for that.  I can definitely understand your frustration, I have had it out with the Sears Hardware right down the street from me.  Since I have been here, reviewing, posting, blogging, ect.  I have definitely noticed a change there.  Not just me, other friends have actually commented on the service, new staff, more items are in stock and such.  As for Mad, he is a good guy who definitely knows his stuff.  Hope we could help you vent.

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